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Massena LAB Archetype 1.0vsSugess Tourbillon Master SU8004

The numbers, the dial colors, the calibers — laid out so you can stop flipping between tabs.

Archetype 1.0
Massena LABArchetype 1.0
MSRP $4,250
Tourbillon Master SU8004
SugessTourbillon Master SU8004
MSRP $1,199

At a glance

16 of 29 specs differ
Diameter
Archetype 1.042mm
Tourbillon Master SU800441mm
Power Reserve
Archetype 1.058h
Tourbillon Master SU800440h
Water Resistance
Archetype 1.0100m
Tourbillon Master SU80045m
MSRP
Archetype 1.0$4,250
Tourbillon Master SU8004$1,199

Full specifications

Case

6 specs
Diameter
42mm
41mm
Thickness
14mm
10mm
Lug Width
20mm
21mm
Material
Stainless Steel
Stainless Steel/Rose Gold
Water Resistance
100m
5m
Caseback
Solid
Display

Crystal & Dial

3 specs
Crystal Shape
Double-Domed
Flat
AR Coating
Yes
Inner
Dial Color
Champagne
Black

Movement

6 specs
Caliber
SW510 BH M Elaboré
Seagull ST8230
Type
Manual
Automatic
Beat Rate
28,800 vph
3 vph
Power Reserve
58h
40h
Jewels
23
25
Complications
None
GMT, Moonphase, Day-date, Date

Pricing

1 specs
MSRP
$4,250
$1,199

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What people say

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Massena LAB Archetype 1.0

Owners find the Massena LAB Archetype 1.1's dial visually appealing with blue and gold accents, but also too cluttered with multiple dial rings. The Sellita SW510 BH M Elaboré movement is considered solid, though not top-tier. The $5,000 price point for a microbrand using a serial movement is questioned by some owners. On balance, owners are split on the Massena LAB Archetype 1.1, with some appreciating its aesthetic and movement while others find the dial too busy and the price point high for a microbrand.

Sugess Tourbillon Master SU8004

The tourbillon complication at this price point is a significant strength. Reviewers did not reach a consensus on any weaknesses.

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