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Hamilton American Classic Pan Europ Day Date AutovsSugess Tourbillon Master SU8002

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Tourbillon Master SU8002
SugessTourbillon Master SU8002
MSRP $1,099
What people say

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Hamilton American Classic Pan Europ Day Date Auto

Owners widely praise the Hamilton American Classic Pan Europ Day Date Auto for its striking retro aesthetics and impressive 80-hour power reserve. Reviewers and owners alike note the blue sunburst dial's elegant color shifts and the flawless finishing of the hands and indices. The case is described as comfortable and wearing light on the wrist, with some finding it surprisingly wearable on smaller wrists due to short lugs and a curved case back, though others find it wears larger than expected. Specific criticisms include challenging legibility on grey dial variants, stiff bezel grip with imperfect alignment, and non-existent lume on the bezel pip. The curved spring bars and shallow springbar placement are frequently cited as hindrances to strap changes, limiting aftermarket options and sometimes requiring modification for NATO straps. One owner reported an issue with missing warranty card and strap.

Sugess Tourbillon Master SU8002

Owners widely praise the Sugess Tourbillon Master SU8002 for offering a genuine tourbillon complication at an accessible price point, making a high-end complication attainable. The dial is described as beautiful, evoking a Moser aesthetic, and legibility is considered superb by one owner. However, concerns exist regarding the long-term durability and serviceability of the Chinese-made Seagull ST8230 movement, with some questioning its longevity for the price. The winding stem is noted as feeling flimsy, and the strap and buckle are considered chunky. Quality control can be inconsistent, though customer service is reportedly excellent. Overall, owners rate the Sugess Tourbillon Master SU8002 highly for providing an impressive tourbillon complication at an unmatched price.

From video reviewers

The value proposition of a functioning tourbillon at this price point is the strongest cited strength. Reviewers imply potential compromises in other areas to achieve this low cost.

At a glance

12 of 29 specs differ
Diameter
American Classic Pan Europ Day Date Auto42mm
Tourbillon Master SU800241mm
Power Reserve
American Classic Pan Europ Day Date Auto80h
Tourbillon Master SU800240h
Water Resistance
American Classic Pan Europ Day Date Auto50m
Tourbillon Master SU800250m
MSRP
American Classic Pan Europ Day Date Auto$1,345
Tourbillon Master SU8002$1,099

Full specifications

Case

6 specs
Category
Dress
Chronograph
Diameter
42mm
41mm
Thickness
11.85mm
12mm
Lug Width
22mm
12mm
Material
Stainless Steel
Stainless Steel/Rose Gold
Caseback
Solid
Display

Crystal & Dial

1 specs
Dial Color
Blue
Black

Movement

4 specs
Caliber
H-30
Seagull ST8230
Beat Rate
28,800 vph
3 vph
Power Reserve
80h
40h
Complications
None
GMT, Chronograph, Moonphase, Date

Pricing

1 specs
MSRP
$1,345
$1,099
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