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Lilienthal Berlin Neolux Skeleton – Dark GreyvsSeiko Presage Inspired by Japanese Gardens

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Lilienthal Berlin Neolux Skeleton – Dark Grey

Owners widely praise Lilienthal Berlin for its award-winning minimalist design and value, particularly when purchased at a discount, with one owner noting the Meteorite IV model looks as good as a much more expensive watch. Some owners appreciate the blue and orange sunburst dial and good finishing, while others find the dial and hands machine-stamped without polished edges and the leather quality basic. Owners report sharp case edges causing skin irritation and difficult-to-remove strap pins, with one finding it unwearable due to discomfort, though another enjoyed the clean design and good lume. The brand's minimalist aesthetic is praised, but some models lack lume, and some owners have experienced significant shipping delays and unresponsive customer support, with some describing the company as potentially fraudulent. Overall, owners rate Lilienthal Berlin highly for its Bauhaus-inspired design and perceived value, though concerns about quality and customer service are noted.

Seiko Presage Inspired by Japanese Gardens

Owners widely praise the Seiko Presage Inspired by Japanese Gardens for its beautiful dial designs, with one owner noting the SSA464 was love at first sight and another calling the SSA421J1 a beautiful first dress watch. The watch is frequently described as a serious bang-for-your-buck limited edition offering good build quality for daily wear, though some owners have noted the appearance of tiny scratches on the bezel and that the bracelet can be initially scratchy. One owner found the watch "truly stunning in person" and "tastefully done," while another found its fit surprisingly natural despite its size. Overall, owners rate the Seiko Presage Inspired by Japanese Gardens highly for its stunning aesthetics and value.

At a glance

11 of 29 specs differ
Diameter
Neolux Skeleton – Dark Grey42mm
Presage Inspired by Japanese Gardens41.8mm
Power Reserve
Neolux Skeleton – Dark Grey42h
Presage Inspired by Japanese Gardens41h
Water Resistance
Neolux Skeleton – Dark Grey100m
Presage Inspired by Japanese Gardens
MSRP
Neolux Skeleton – Dark Grey$679
Presage Inspired by Japanese Gardens$595

Full specifications

Case

5 specs
Category
Dress
Diameter
42mm
41.8mm
Thickness
12mm
12.5mm
Lug-to-Lug
46mm
48.4mm
Water Resistance
100m
Splash Resistant

Crystal & Dial

2 specs
Crystal Shape
Flat
Curved
Dial Color
Black

Movement

3 specs
Caliber
4R39
Power Reserve
42h
41h
Jewels
25
24

Pricing

1 specs
MSRP
$679
$595
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