Seestern S450 Ocean StarvsGrand Seiko SBGR261

Owners widely praise the Seestern S450 Ocean Star's Yachtmaster-style case and flawless bracelet finishing, with one owner noting the ST2130 movement keeps good time. The bezel action is described as having individual notches but feeling like a friction bezel, while another owner flags the bezel and crown action as smooth with perfect alignment. Lume is a point of contention, with one source describing it as a nice cool blue with ice-white application, while others note it as weak or not matching Prospex standards, despite using BGW-9. The watch is considered a "big boy" ideal for larger wrists (19cm+), potentially too large for 17cm wrists due to its size and non-tapering bracelet. Overall, owners rate the Seestern S450 Ocean Star highly for its build quality and finishing at the price point, despite some reservations about its size and lume intensity.

Grand Seiko SBGR261 owners praise its perfect 39.5mm dimensions, beautiful cream lacquered dial with a silver date disc, and blued second hand, noting the excellent finishing for its price point and its suitability for formal events. Some find the design too safe and the cream dial with leather strap less appealing, while others flag its over 13mm thickness as too tall for a dress watch. The movement finishing is described as rudimentary, though the 9S65 automatic is considered well-made and a terrific value. Overall, owners rate the Grand Seiko SBGR261 highly for its classic design and excellent finishing at its price.