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Seiko Presage Cocktail TimevsSugess Tourbillon Master SU8002

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Presage Cocktail Time
SeikoPresage Cocktail Time
MSRP $625
Tourbillon Master SU8002
SugessTourbillon Master SU8002
MSRP $1,099
What people say

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Seiko Presage Cocktail Time

Seiko Presage Cocktail Time owners widely praise its stunning dials and excellent value, noting it looks far more expensive than its price point. One owner highlights the green Mockingbird variant's fantastic dial, index, and hand combination, along with a great crown. However, some owners criticize legibility issues due to dial markers and hands disappearing into the sunburst pattern, and find the stock straps and bracelets too short with limited micro-adjustments. One owner also describes the case as big, round, and somewhat boring. Overall, owners rate the Seiko Presage Cocktail Time highly for its visually striking dials and perceived value, despite some concerns regarding legibility and bracelet fit.

Sugess Tourbillon Master SU8002

Owners widely praise the Sugess Tourbillon Master SU8002 for offering a genuine tourbillon complication at an accessible price point, making a high-end complication attainable. The dial is described as beautiful, evoking a Moser aesthetic, and legibility is considered superb by one owner. However, concerns exist regarding the long-term durability and serviceability of the Chinese-made Seagull ST8230 movement, with some questioning its longevity for the price. The winding stem is noted as feeling flimsy, and the strap and buckle are considered chunky. Quality control can be inconsistent, though customer service is reportedly excellent. Overall, owners rate the Sugess Tourbillon Master SU8002 highly for providing an impressive tourbillon complication at an unmatched price.

From video reviewers

The value proposition of a functioning tourbillon at this price point is the strongest cited strength. Reviewers imply potential compromises in other areas to achieve this low cost.

At a glance

15 of 29 specs differ
Diameter
Presage Cocktail Time40.5mm
Tourbillon Master SU800241mm
Power Reserve
Presage Cocktail Time41h
Tourbillon Master SU800240h
Water Resistance
Presage Cocktail Time50m
Tourbillon Master SU800250m
MSRP
Presage Cocktail Time$625
Tourbillon Master SU8002$1,099

Full specifications

Case

7 specs
Category
GMT
Chronograph
Diameter
40.5mm
41mm
Thickness
12.8mm
12mm
Lug-to-Lug
47.5mm
46mm
Lug Width
20mm
12mm
Material
Stainless Steel
Stainless Steel/Rose Gold
Caseback
Solid
Display

Crystal & Dial

2 specs
Crystal
Hardlex
Sapphire
Crystal Shape
Box
Flat

Movement

5 specs
Caliber
4R34
Seagull ST8230
Beat Rate
28,800 vph
3 vph
Power Reserve
41h
40h
Jewels
24
25
Complications
None
GMT, Chronograph, Moonphase, Date

Pricing

1 specs
MSRP
$625
$1,099
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