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Seiko Presage Cocktail TimevsSugess Tourbillon Master SU8230

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Presage Cocktail Time
SeikoPresage Cocktail Time
MSRP $625
Tourbillon Master SU8230
SugessTourbillon Master SU8230
MSRP $1,399
What people say

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Seiko Presage Cocktail Time

Seiko Presage Cocktail Time owners widely praise its stunning dials and excellent value, noting it looks far more expensive than its price point. One owner highlights the green Mockingbird variant's fantastic dial, index, and hand combination, along with a great crown. However, some owners criticize legibility issues due to dial markers and hands disappearing into the sunburst pattern, and find the stock straps and bracelets too short with limited micro-adjustments. One owner also describes the case as big, round, and somewhat boring. Overall, owners rate the Seiko Presage Cocktail Time highly for its visually striking dials and perceived value, despite some concerns regarding legibility and bracelet fit.

Sugess Tourbillon Master SU8230

Owners widely praise the Sugess Tourbillon Master for its stunning enamel dial and impressive finishing at its price point. Accuracy figures vary, with one owner reporting -12s/day and another +6 to +11s/day. Caveats include a cumbersome winding crown, limited 50m water resistance, a 21mm lug width, and a non-hacking movement, with one owner noting a power reserve around two days and noticeable resistance when winding. On balance, owners rate the Sugess Tourbillon Master highly for its visually striking dial and finishing, which significantly elevates its perceived value.

At a glance

15 of 29 specs differ
Diameter
Presage Cocktail Time40.5mm
Tourbillon Master SU823041mm
Power Reserve
Presage Cocktail Time41h
Tourbillon Master SU823040h
Water Resistance
Presage Cocktail Time50m
Tourbillon Master SU823050m
MSRP
Presage Cocktail Time$625
Tourbillon Master SU8230$1,399

Full specifications

Case

7 specs
Category
GMT
Chronograph
Diameter
40.5mm
41mm
Thickness
12.8mm
11mm
Lug-to-Lug
47.5mm
46mm
Lug Width
20mm
11mm
Material
Stainless Steel
Yellow Gold/Rose Gold/Bronze
Caseback
Solid
Display

Crystal & Dial

2 specs
Crystal
Hardlex
Sapphire
Crystal Shape
Box
Flat

Movement

5 specs
Caliber
4R34
Seagull ST8230
Beat Rate
28,800 vph
3 vph
Power Reserve
41h
40h
Jewels
24
25
Complications
None
GMT, Moonphase, Date

Pricing

1 specs
MSRP
$625
$1,399
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