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Atelier Wen Ancestra Launch EditionvsSeiko Presage Cocktail Time

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Ancestra Launch Edition
Atelier WenAncestra Launch Edition
MSRP $45,900
Presage Cocktail Time
SeikoPresage Cocktail Time
MSRP $575

At a glance

11 of 29 specs differ
Diameter
Ancestra Launch Edition38.5mm
Presage Cocktail Time30.3mm
Power Reserve
Ancestra Launch Edition40h
Presage Cocktail Time40h
Water Resistance
Ancestra Launch Edition30m
Presage Cocktail Time50m
MSRP
Ancestra Launch Edition$45,900
Presage Cocktail Time$575

Full specifications

Case

5 specs
Diameter
38.5mm
30.3mm
Thickness
10.9mm
Lug-to-Lug
37mm
Lug Width
19mm
14mm
Water Resistance
30m
50m

Crystal & Dial

3 specs
Crystal
Sapphire
Hardlex
Crystal Shape
Flat
Box
Dial Color
Chinese caligraphy
Black

Movement

2 specs
Caliber
2R05
Jewels
25
21

Pricing

1 specs
MSRP
$45,900
$575

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What people say

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Atelier Wen Ancestra Launch Edition

The Atelier Wen Ancestra Launch Edition is widely praised for its unique hand-hammered grand feu enamel dial, featuring Chinese arts and crafts and micro-etched poetry on its custom French movement. Owners and reviewers highlight the dial's dramatic gradient and the flush-set baguette diamond hour markers, all housed in a compact 38mm steel case. The movement is noted as superior to standard ETA or Sellita options. Some owners feel a seconds hand would be a welcome addition, and the $5,850 price point is considered a significant step up, with one commenter finding the brand overpriced. Overall, owners and reviewers rate the Atelier Wen Ancestra Launch Edition highly for its exceptional dial artistry and unique movement at its price.

Seiko Presage Cocktail Time

Seiko Presage Cocktail Time is widely praised for its stunning dials and exceptional value, with owners noting it competes with watches costing significantly more. One owner specifically commends the green Mockingbird variant's dial, indices, hands, and crown. However, potential legibility issues due to dial patterns and hands, the use of Hardlex crystal instead of sapphire, and strap/bracelet sizing concerns are noted criticisms. The case on some variants is described as big, round, and somewhat uninspired. On balance, owners rate the Seiko Presage Cocktail Time highly for its dial artistry and value proposition.

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