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Tornek-Rayville CISO M38 MAC V SOGvsOrient Bambino No Date

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Tornek-Rayville CISO M38 MAC V SOG

The Tornek-Rayville CISO M38 MAC V SOG is praised for its solid feel and excellent finishing, featuring a comfortable five-link bracelet. It is recognized as an homage to a 1960s Seiko used by MACV-SOG operatives, incorporating modern updates like a 38mm case. Owners and community members express admiration for the watch's historical connection to "spooky" Special Forces operations. Overall, owners rate the Tornek-Rayville CISO M38 MAC V SOG highly for its historical significance and solid build quality at the price.

Orient Bambino No Date

Owners widely praise the Orient Bambino No Date for its improved dial symmetry and dress watch appeal, with many appreciating the cleaner, no-date design. The 38.4mm case size is considered ideal for a dress watch, and the dial sheen is a notable positive. Some owners, however, find the dial busy due to sub-indices, printed numbers, and "Water Resistant" text, while others regret the lack of a sapphire crystal. The movement is the automatic F6524, offering hacking and hand-winding, with accuracy reported between +25/-15 seconds per day. Overall, owners and reviewers rate the Orient Bambino No Date highly for its enhanced dial symmetry and dress watch aesthetics at its price point.

At a glance

12 of 29 specs differ
Diameter
CISO M38 MAC V SOG38mm
Bambino No Date38.4mm
Power Reserve
CISO M38 MAC V SOG42h
Bambino No Date
Water Resistance
CISO M38 MAC V SOG100m
Bambino No Date30m
MSRP
CISO M38 MAC V SOG$745
Bambino No Date$295

Full specifications

Case

5 specs
Category
Diameter
38mm
38.4mm
Thickness
12.45mm
12.5mm
Lug-to-Lug
43.6mm
44mm
Water Resistance
100m
30m

Crystal & Dial

4 specs
Crystal
Sapphire
Mineral
AR Coating
Yes
Dial Color
Lume
Superluminova
None

Movement

2 specs
Caliber
Seiko NH36
Orient F6 Series
Power Reserve
42h
0h

Pricing

1 specs
MSRP
$745
$295
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