Grandeur Watches Automatic SeriesvsManufaktur Waldhoff Ultramatic II

Owners praise the Grandeur Watches Automatic Series G17117 as a well-built, conversation-starting dress watch that is properly sized at 42mm. However, its highly polished finish is difficult to maintain, and one owner reported their automatic watch was suddenly an hour behind twice, despite keeping perfect time overnight. Overall, owners find the Grandeur Watches Automatic Series G17117 to be a well-built and conversation-starting dress watch, though its polished finish requires careful maintenance.

Owners widely praise the Manufaktur Waldhoff Ultramatic II for its appearance, with one owner stating it "screams quality" and is the cheapest tourbillon they have seen. However, concerns exist regarding the Chinese movement and bracelet fit. Accuracy varies, with one owner noting a deviation of 5-10 seconds per day, resulting in a loss of about a minute every 3-5 days. Some owners criticize the high price given the movement, and one owner expressed a desire for a second hand on the green dial model. On balance, owners rate the Manufaktur Waldhoff Ultramatic II highly for its striking appearance and value as an affordable tourbillon, despite reservations about the movement and accuracy.