Kobold Phantom SL AvantgardevsTudor Black Bay Chrono

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Measurements

Catalog photos are all shot at the same flattering size. These aren't: every case below shares one millimeter scale.

Kobold Phantom SL Avantgarde at true scale

Phantom SL Avantgarde

Tudor Black Bay Chrono at true scale

Black Bay Chrono

Diameter

41mm

41mm

Thickness

17mm

14.4mm

lowest

Water Resistance

200m

200m

Power Reserve

n/a

70h

MSRP

$18,500

n/a

Movement

Valjoux 7750

Tudor MT5813

Case

4 specs
Thickness
17mm
14.4mm
Lug-to-Lug
n/a
n/a
Lug Width
20mm
22mm
Material
Titanium
stainless steel

Crystal & Dial

1 specs
Dial Color
n/a
n/a

Movement

2 specs
Caliber
Valjoux 7750
Tudor MT5813
Power Reserve
0h
70h

Pricing

1 specs
MSRP
$18,500
n/a
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Reviews

Synthesized for each watch independently from owner discussions, enthusiast forums, written reviews, and video reviewers.

Kobold Phantom SL Avantgarde

Owners report the Kobold Phantom SL Avantgarde can be found for better value on the secondary market, though customer service issues and long repair times are significant concerns for some. One owner reported a crown threading issue on their steel Phantom, while another experienced the same problem on a titanium model. Despite these drawbacks, some owners still appreciate the watch's style and build quality. Overall, owners rate the Kobold Phantom SL Avantgarde with mixed feelings due to customer service concerns despite appreciating its style and build quality.

Tudor Black Bay Chrono

Owners widely praise the Tudor Black Bay Chrono's excellent legibility, solid lume, and comfortable wearability, with one owner noting it feels substantial and masculine. The watch features snowflake hands and hour markers that align with the Black Bay design language, offering a fresh take on a retro chronograph feel. Some reviewers consider the date display unnecessary, preferring a color-matched date wheel. The Tudor Black Bay Chrono measures 14.8mm thick and weighs 160 grams, which some find acceptable and manageable, while others would prefer a thinner option. On balance, owners and reviewers rate the Tudor Black Bay Chrono highly for its comfortable wearability and distinct retro design at the price.