Makina Andras_II (Black)vsEcho/Neutra Rivanera
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Measurements
Catalog photos are all shot at the same flattering size. These aren't: every case below shares one millimeter scale.

Andras_II (Black)

Rivanera
Diameter
33mm
40mm
Lug-to-Lug
44mm
n/a
Thickness
11.5mm
5.5mm
lowest
Water Resistance
50m
highest
30m
Power Reserve
42h
42h
MSRP
n/a
$1,810
Movement
Sellita SW260-1
ETA/Peseux 7001
Case
7 specsCrystal & Dial
2 specsMovement
6 specsPricing
1 specsReviews
Synthesized for each watch independently from owner discussions, enthusiast forums, written reviews, and video reviewers.
The Makina Andras_II (Black) is lauded for its unique, attractive rectangular case with sharp bevels and slopes, exceptional case finishing, and comfortable 33mm wearability. Reviewers highlight its multi-tiered dial design as sharp and mysterious, featuring a running seconds subdial and precise alpha hands. The reliable Sellita SW260-1 automatic movement is noted as a perfect fit, contributing to the watch's slender 10.5mm thickness. One reviewer considers it Makina's best design to date, unashamedly original and well-executed, while another describes the layered dial as an acquired taste. The watch is priced at US$800 and features a tactile black PVD coating. Overall, owners and reviewers rate the Makina Andras_II (Black) highly for its distinctive design and impressive case finishing at its price point.
The Echo/Neutra Rivanera is widely praised for its exceptionally thin, lightweight Grade 5 titanium case, with reviewers noting profiles ranging from 5.5mm to 5.9mm, and a 40mm lug-to-lug measurement that some find requires an adjustment period. Owners and reviewers highlight the watch's respected ETA/Peseux 7001 manual-wind movement, its Art Deco-inspired design, and impressive packaging for its price point. Some enthusiasts note a preference for a smoother finish over the bead-blasted case, and the non-hacking nature of the movement is also mentioned. On balance, owners and reviewers rate the Echo/Neutra Rivanera highly for its unique, slim titanium design and value proposition.
The Rivanera's Grade 5 titanium case is a key selling point. Reviewers did not agree on whether the watch leans more towards a tool watch or a traditional dress watch.
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